I think, 'That's why I come', you rewind to how you were, and it stops you wavering.
I got into a private card game at somewhere called the Willow Rooms in Romford and you could be in there for 24 hours.
And the road to Damascus moment, when it eventually came, was not accompanied by any fanfares or blinding flashes of light.
It arrived at his home eight years ago, as he was literally looking at himself in the mirror, driven by the thought of what sort of blighted life his wife and young family could expect unless he managed a radical overhaul.
He says: "There is a gambling culture in snooker, and many players relax in that way.
However, I am a compulsive and I don't know when to stop.
I don't think it was even the debt at the time, it was just so I would have something in my hand to bet with.